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it is how we do tax policy. which is how we make investments and how we deal with those families in the video worried about debt and higher education and retirement. >> on the tax side, as part of the adults of a solution, to you think the gap between the way work is tax and investment and capital gains are taxed -- does that have to narrow as part of the final solution? >> i think so. capital gains going up 20%, some people suggest even more. that is something we should look at. there is concern about that. the differential is one of the reasons why will the americans pay so little. ann romney be one of them. it is not really fair. he thought it was -- mitt romney being one of the imperious -- to being one of them. >> on the other side of the leisure, they never released a math and with a scribbled all of the house -- on the other side of the ledger him, they never released a nafta and where they scribbled on of the ideas. we have had an election. shut those two ideas still be on the table the that the presiden
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even the tax revenue part. i'm not sure i have seen enough details to settle on whether i would support it. >>neil: on the revenue side, congressman, it has to be a rate hike for you, not this --. >>guest: if my former life i was a tax attorney when i made money. so, rates are pop, -- are important, and there are other ways to raise revenues. rates for me are not the magic goal but who pays them. >>neil: and the spending cuts are delineating --. >>guest: that would be a mistake. >>neil: when the congressional black cause says don't touch entitlements does it party you your party is not in sync with what you offered? >>guest: i wish they were as monolithic as you imply. i don't want to cut entitlements but medicare and medicaid neat to be tweaked. to keep them for the future. the question is, what do you mean? someone's tweak is someone else's devastation much the details matter. a lot. like spending cut, i am for spending cuts but which ones. some may be for tax increases, but can ones? >>neil: you two should t
even the tax revenue part. i'm not sure i have seen enough details to settle on whether i would support it. >>neil: on the revenue side, congressman, it has to be a rate hike for you, not this --. >>guest: if my former life i was a tax attorney when i made money. so, rates are pop, -- are important, and there are other ways to raise revenues. rates for me are not the magic goal but who pays them. >>neil: and the spending cuts are delineating --. >>guest: that would be a...
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fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. >> and you propose the spending side. you like to see what they want? proposals on both sides. if they want to go beyond that, they should tell us what they like to do. if they want to do it differently -- >> whose turn is this? where are we in this? >> the ball really is with them now. again, they're in a hard place. they're having a tough time trying to figure out what they can do. that's understandable. this is very difficult for them. we might need more time to figure out where -- where they go next. >> we don't have a lot of time. >> you can't wait very long. what we are trying to do is be as clear as we can with what is essential to us and what we like to have and what we think is good for the american economy
fine, you don't want new tax rates. we're out of this. >> what we're trying to do is to get them to come together and join us and doing something that's good for the american economy, and we recognize that's going to require spending savings, not just revenue increases on the top wealthiest 2% of americans. >> and you propose the spending side. you like to see what they want? proposals on both sides. if they want to go beyond that, they should tell us what they like to do. if they...
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but they would complain about paying their taxes they were proud to pay their taxes but who complained about as you know what the government not you know getting a good good bang for the buck kind of wasting the money two thousand dollars toilets you know in the eighty's you know it became you know you know just taxes themselves are bad thing and then you know you had the republican young guns like grover norquist for example. you know who just sort of took that issue and seized upon it and made it their you know they raise money that kind of bought into jude when his skis to santa claus theory and decided to go on the santa clause of tax cuts and they've been doing that for thirty years it didn't work it's not working anymore it seems like there was yeah and that's fine with me yeah ok tell me christopher thanks for being with them thanks very much always great to have. coming up every second every second two point four million pounds of carbon pollution are being pumped into the atmosphere warming the planet and having disastrous effects on our environment is a startling statistic en
but they would complain about paying their taxes they were proud to pay their taxes but who complained about as you know what the government not you know getting a good good bang for the buck kind of wasting the money two thousand dollars toilets you know in the eighty's you know it became you know you know just taxes themselves are bad thing and then you know you had the republican young guns like grover norquist for example. you know who just sort of took that issue and seized upon it and...
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about is on the issues that the conservative movement is going to be talking to the country about -- >> taxing the rich? they're against that. >> there are individuals out there that they can appeal to, and my point is more broadly speaking that you cannot lump this -- what demint is doing and saying that all this gaggle of conservatives are going to be following behind it. >> i agree with that part. >> the split is much more than you think it is within the party. and so that's got to be reconciled to be honest about it. it's got to be reconciled, and to your point and your question about what would i say? i would say, look -- >> you're center right. you think the country is like you. >> understand where the country is, and that's where you need to be. >> rush limbaugh's show yesterday demint said conservatives' problem is not their message. their problem is getting their message out. let's listen. >> i think the problem is, as conservatives, we have not taken enough control of our message and our ideas and communicated them directly to the american people. that's what we want to do at heritag
about is on the issues that the conservative movement is going to be talking to the country about -- >> taxing the rich? they're against that. >> there are individuals out there that they can appeal to, and my point is more broadly speaking that you cannot lump this -- what demint is doing and saying that all this gaggle of conservatives are going to be following behind it. >> i agree with that part. >> the split is much more than you think it is within the party. and so...
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a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for a handful of republicans and congressman to hold tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense? the senate has already pass add bill to keep the taxes from going up on the middle-class families. that's already passed the senate. you remember congress, they're ready to go, they're ready to vote on that same thing. and if we can just get a few house republicans on board, we can pass the bill in the house, its wi it will land on my desk, and i am ready. i've got a bunch of pens ready to sign this bill. >> and 30 minutes after the president was finished, john boehner held a press conference. he gave a pessimistic assessment of the negotiations. let's listen to mr. boehner. >> let's not kid ourselves. but when i come out the day after the election and make it clear that republicans will put revenue on the table
a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for a handful of republicans and congressman to hold tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on folks to go up. right? that doesn't make sense? the senate has already pass add bill to keep the taxes from going up on the middle-class families. that's already passed the senate. you remember congress, they're ready to go, they're ready to...
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tax. every state around hampshire had one or the other. in the 1960's, and every state added another one, either the sales tax or the income tax. within hesitation of their people that the other tax would come out and the revenue would be used because it will be more effective in collecting it. every one of those states, the revenues have gone down, the income tax has gone up, and the size of government has gone up. from my standpoint, a value- added tax is just a way to grossly expand the size of the government, and it does not fix our revenue problems. more importantly than that, just the point where i think this argument ends up, the american people would annihilate any party that passed a national sales tax rate. if the democratic party thinks they are in charge now, and they are, and the republican party has done some things to marginalize itself, but if you want to resurrect a republican party, give me a value-added tax. >> let's take the value-added tax off the table for this the se
tax. every state around hampshire had one or the other. in the 1960's, and every state added another one, either the sales tax or the income tax. within hesitation of their people that the other tax would come out and the revenue would be used because it will be more effective in collecting it. every one of those states, the revenues have gone down, the income tax has gone up, and the size of government has gone up. from my standpoint, a value- added tax is just a way to grossly expand the size...
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no new taxes. >> read my lips, no new taxes. george h.w. bush hammered that mantra to win the white house in 1988. but just two years later, the reagan deficits were skyrocketing and president bush was forced to change his most famous line. >> long and bitter battle over the budget officially ended last night. president bush put his signature on the deficit reduction package, including $140 billion in tax increases. >> tax increases. that was a turning point for the modern republican party. the right wing went crazy. and george bush lost re-election. since then the party's been committed to never compromising on the tax issue, no matter the deficit. no congressional republican has voted for an increase in taxes since 1990. think about it. for nearly a quarter of a century, no new income taxes. in the current congress, 236 house republicans vowed never to raise taxes. 40 gop senators also kept that pledge. even president george w. bush, the man who got us into two wars we didn't pay for. the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted th
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pays a lot of money in payroll taxes and sales taxes and state and local taxes and property taxes. it adds up even if they're not paying income tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being the expiration of the bush tax cuts at the end of this year. to some extent, now they're getting to the real deadline and it is more serious. host: have you written one of the, if we go over the cliff, this is what happens-type article? guest: yes. people would probably start feeling it in their paychecks pretty quickly. never mind what it means to the broader economy. it will hit. it will hurt a lot of people. if we did not change the law and it went one month, two months, three months, it could lead to another recession because there be such a sharp drop in people's incomes and it would be s
pays a lot of money in payroll taxes and sales taxes and state and local taxes and property taxes. it adds up even if they're not paying income tax. host: how would you compare the current talks to july 2011 and the debt limit, fiscal cliff, sequestration -- guest: the debt limit talks definitely set the stage for this. they were not completely without value. i get the sense it is a lot more serious now. it has almost been like a year- and-a-half long negotiation. with the real deadline being...
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the bush tax cuts lapse. what they're talking about is let's extent bush tax cuts for the 98%, let them go up maybe not 39.6% but 37%, something like that. then next year, when the republicans have more leverage with the debt ceiling and also with the government running out of money, that's the point they go after the president on spending. both social programs as well as entitlement reform. i'm not sure you're going to get a big deal right now but you might get enough to avoid the fiscal cliff and then more fighting next year over spending. >> will republicans accept a 38% tax rate for the wealthy? and will democrats accept reductions in entitlement spending? >> that's a good question. corker would accept 37% but he speaks for a few senators. he doesn't speak for the house republican majority and john boehner though it seems to be moving that direction. i'm not sure the president would accept 37% because i'm not sure he gets enough money. you need enough money, whether there's some -- yes, partial increase i
the bush tax cuts lapse. what they're talking about is let's extent bush tax cuts for the 98%, let them go up maybe not 39.6% but 37%, something like that. then next year, when the republicans have more leverage with the debt ceiling and also with the government running out of money, that's the point they go after the president on spending. both social programs as well as entitlement reform. i'm not sure you're going to get a big deal right now but you might get enough to avoid the fiscal cliff...
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this top 2% which otherwise gets a tax cut, it continues a tax cut in the middle income tax extension. this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat but in many homes across america it is a very, very lean time. the facts are though very important to reiterate. democrats have already agreed in the budget control act and other cuts in this congress to 1.6 trillion dollars in cuts, in spending cuts. we've already agreed in the affordable care act and in the president's budget to over a trillion dollars in savings to medicare without doing any harm to beneficiaries and extended the life of medicare. what is lacking are the revenues. you cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. what does reduce the deficit are jobs, job creation. have the spending cuts, we have the medicare savings, what we need are the revenues. and that is what you have to ask the question, why are we not here to pass the middle income tax cut which unleashes the high end -- increases the high end contribution to the budget talks. why are we not here to pass the middle i
this top 2% which otherwise gets a tax cut, it continues a tax cut in the middle income tax extension. this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat but in many homes across america it is a very, very lean time. the facts are though very important to reiterate. democrats have already agreed in the budget control act and other cuts in this congress to 1.6 trillion dollars in cuts, in spending cuts. we've already agreed in the affordable care act...
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they sent her a tax bill for $300,000. they wouldn't do that to you and your wonderful wife and they wouldn't do that to other straight couples in this country. it's not fair. >> let's go to -- let's get revolutiona revolutionary. we only have a few minutes. wonder looking at justice kennedy maybe because he's irish, i'm just kidding, there's something about him i find very interesting. >> and from california. >> he's from california. if you look at the majority opinion in the case involving lawrence texas which was about outlawing or basically declaring sodomy -- anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional, he says not only in that court decision you can't deny a person's liberty in these cases to engage in intimate conduct but it's about something bigger. marriage is is not about having constant sex, it's about having a loving relationship. it's about people. >> right. >> not organs. let me -- >> it's about families. >> okay. you tell it your way. if it gets down to questions of liberty and equal protection of the law, fundamental
they sent her a tax bill for $300,000. they wouldn't do that to you and your wonderful wife and they wouldn't do that to other straight couples in this country. it's not fair. >> let's go to -- let's get revolutiona revolutionary. we only have a few minutes. wonder looking at justice kennedy maybe because he's irish, i'm just kidding, there's something about him i find very interesting. >> and from california. >> he's from california. if you look at the majority opinion in the...
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. >> taxing the rich, they're against that. >> there are individual ins out there they can appeal to. my point is broadly speaking you cannot lump -- what demint is doing is saying this gaggle of conservatives will be following behind. the split is much more than you think it is within the party. that has to be reconciled, to be honest and to your point and your question about what would i say, i would say, look, understand where the -- >> you're center right and you think the country is. >> understand where the country is. that's where you need to be. >> on the rush limbaugh show yesterday, demint, the senator from south carolina just quit said conservative's problem is not their message, their problem is getting the message out. let's listen. >> i think the problem is, as conservatives, we have not taken enough control of our message and our ideas and communicated them directly to the american people. that's what we want to do at heritage. >> don't you love the way he chews on that togy? not that there's anything wrong with it. you're back here again. every party that loses an elect
. >> taxing the rich, they're against that. >> there are individual ins out there they can appeal to. my point is broadly speaking you cannot lump -- what demint is doing is saying this gaggle of conservatives will be following behind. the split is much more than you think it is within the party. that has to be reconciled, to be honest and to your point and your question about what would i say, i would say, look, understand where the -- >> you're center right and you think the...
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tax rates for the top 2%. they've been as high as 90% in the great depression, so you really have to have perspective here. it's hard to see the republicans making this their sticking point. making this thing that that is the hill that they will die on, is not raising taxes on the top 2%. i think that karen is right, that the white house has everything to gain by keeping the president above this. and on the payroll tax thing, that worked. that employ worked and i think that they're planning on having this work out again. the president is the one making the case to people that his staff is dealing with boehnerth and i think that's the right psychological play and it's the right political negotiating play. >> anna marie cox and karen tumblety. stand by, we're going to talk about grover norquist. by the way, karen, happy belated birthday. >> thank you. >> i hear you celebrated, i heard there was a wild party in d.c. last night. thanks for the invite. >> quick note here, don't know what you're doing with your sund
tax rates for the top 2%. they've been as high as 90% in the great depression, so you really have to have perspective here. it's hard to see the republicans making this their sticking point. making this thing that that is the hill that they will die on, is not raising taxes on the top 2%. i think that karen is right, that the white house has everything to gain by keeping the president above this. and on the payroll tax thing, that worked. that employ worked and i think that they're planning on...
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we don't want to pay higher taxes, but are willing to pay higher taxes as a program of shared sacrifice, which we think would make sense under the circumstances. >> eliot: and you also reject the premise of the entire republican argument, which is if you raise these tax rates margin ally on the so-called job creators somehow that will harm our economy. >> that's utterly ridiculous. first it's false imperically. we want through the analysis with bruce bartlett, who articulated them very well. as buffet pointed out in his op-ed piece taxes went up from 2000 when clinton was in and the second part of the reagan administration because of the imbalances created by the reagan tax cuts and we created 23 million jobs. by the same token, you know, the tax cuts to the wealthy were extended a number of times including by president obama under duress and starting in 2009 that create add boom in financial assets, but didn't produce many jobs. those are just anecdotal situations, but you can see there have been studies done including most recent one, which was suppressed by the republicans. >> eliot:
we don't want to pay higher taxes, but are willing to pay higher taxes as a program of shared sacrifice, which we think would make sense under the circumstances. >> eliot: and you also reject the premise of the entire republican argument, which is if you raise these tax rates margin ally on the so-called job creators somehow that will harm our economy. >> that's utterly ridiculous. first it's false imperically. we want through the analysis with bruce bartlett, who articulated them...
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that tax code a little more progressive. you will have given a little more pain relative to everyone else to the top 2%. that's an important principle i think because this economic downturn has hurt the 98% so much more than the rich. i think it's really important to stay with what the president ran on, the 250 and above because, look, if they don't make a deal, it's going to happen anyway. republicans don't have any room to maneuver it up to $500,000. it's going to happen anyway. >> let's look at this new poll. shows raising tacks on the rich is overwhelmingly popular. no surprise there. 60% of the country favor raising taxes on house holds making $250,000 or more. 38% oppose it. >> yeah. >> i was thinking about 38 thrs. only 2% of the 38% get something out of it. 36% don't. >> i really don't think people who make $250,000 a year, a family of four $250,000 a year of annual income or adjusted gross income is rich. >> depends where you live. >> right. >> and very few people really make that. >> oh, it does. >> take that numbe
that tax code a little more progressive. you will have given a little more pain relative to everyone else to the top 2%. that's an important principle i think because this economic downturn has hurt the 98% so much more than the rich. i think it's really important to stay with what the president ran on, the 250 and above because, look, if they don't make a deal, it's going to happen anyway. republicans don't have any room to maneuver it up to $500,000. it's going to happen anyway. >>...
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>> the tax problem is the biggest problem. president obama has laid out in the past and seen willing to me, at least, to make some cuts to medicare. maybe not ones conservatives like. what we don't know yet, the big question is, president obama is pushing for $1 trillion in tax increases, pushing it for a long time. he feels he has a mandate on that now. we know his idea is about raising revenue. we don't know what the republicans ideas are on the revenue. that's what we need to know. that's the whole question, what are they. go ahead. >> we've heard from lindsey graham yesterday or the day before with regards to revenue. he still contends, ari, that you can raise a significant chunk of revenue, he's thrown out $800 billion at least by closing loopholes and limiting deductions, whether it's $30,000, $40,000, $50,000. >> yeah, but he's just talking, right? just talking. what the president has done is outlined a plan. he outlined it once and the american people voted for it, and he outlined it again, not surprisingly, the same c
>> the tax problem is the biggest problem. president obama has laid out in the past and seen willing to me, at least, to make some cuts to medicare. maybe not ones conservatives like. what we don't know yet, the big question is, president obama is pushing for $1 trillion in tax increases, pushing it for a long time. he feels he has a mandate on that now. we know his idea is about raising revenue. we don't know what the republicans ideas are on the revenue. that's what we need to know....
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without raising any taxes. but the fact of the matter is i know the gentleman has historically not felt tax cuts should be paid for either by reducing it or offsetting. the president doesn't agree with the $800 billion because he doesn't think the math works. i share the president's view. the math doesn't work. the most useful effort will be if we all agree on the onive -- objective, whether it's $4 trillion, whether it's 70% debt to g.d.p. ratio which most economists or a little less than that is sustainable or is on a sustainable path. if we all agree with the objective and then, mr. majority leader, simply make the math work to get there on a way that we could agree on, i think america would be advantaged, the economy would be advantaged and we'd see a renaissance of job creation in this country as we did in the 2000's. and i'll be glad to yield to my friend. mr. cantor: i accept the gentleman's good intentions. i know he doesn't think that we ought to be imposing additional obligations on the american peopl
without raising any taxes. but the fact of the matter is i know the gentleman has historically not felt tax cuts should be paid for either by reducing it or offsetting. the president doesn't agree with the $800 billion because he doesn't think the math works. i share the president's view. the math doesn't work. the most useful effort will be if we all agree on the onive -- objective, whether it's $4 trillion, whether it's 70% debt to g.d.p. ratio which most economists or a little less than that...
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the republicans saying we'll never raise taxes. the problem is taxes are scheduled to go up. they can't say no to that. they will go up. the only real question for the obstructionists in the republican party is, seriously, you're going to block atax cut? that's what it is. >> i want to play some sound from our friend david gergen on cnn yesterday and get you to comment. >> since this election i think the democrats are the ones who are really trying to rub it in and almost humiliate the republicans, and that's not going to get to a bargain. i think it has to be win-win. you hear among some democrats right now and it's disturbing that maybe just ought to take it over the cliff. we'll score political points against the republicans and it will force our hands in the new year. that is a very, very dangerous, risky path. >> what do you think? are democrats more interested in humiliating republicans? do they really want a deal? for republicans, what's at stake here? what's the upside? what should the way forward be? >> i think both sides want a deal. if the economy tanks because we
the republicans saying we'll never raise taxes. the problem is taxes are scheduled to go up. they can't say no to that. they will go up. the only real question for the obstructionists in the republican party is, seriously, you're going to block atax cut? that's what it is. >> i want to play some sound from our friend david gergen on cnn yesterday and get you to comment. >> since this election i think the democrats are the ones who are really trying to rub it in and almost humiliate...
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i'm offering 98% a tax cut of $2,000 a year. you are the party of lower taxes. are you going to refuse to cut people's tacks? >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> so you have been around this town a long time, you have been in a lot of negotiations, what is there game? what is their thinking as to how they are going to work their will? do they just figure they won, they are going to get what they want? >> i have no idea, chris. if i knew, i would share it with you but i don't think what they are thinking. >> do you think they are being bullies? >> i think they won the election, they must have forgotten that republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> and again, because you kind of didn't answ
i'm offering 98% a tax cut of $2,000 a year. you are the party of lower taxes. are you going to refuse to cut people's tacks? >> nobody wants to go over the cliff. that's why the day after the election i tried to speed this process up by making the concession to put revenues on the table. it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> so you have been around this town a long time, you have been in a lot of negotiations, what is there game?...
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plus what the additional taxes. $1 trillion that are in new taxes on obamacare. most of them on the wealthy. plus, then, hit them on the deduction side. they will be paying top marginal rate of 40%. effective rate that is four or five or six rate ace head. >> bret: make believe you want to get to compromise. there is an easy way to get there. the president said i need $800 billion at revenue, there is a way to get there. let us not discriminate -- let's go simpson-bowles. let's let everybody decide how much they want to use for whatever deduction. maybe you want to use for education. maybe you want to use it for your home. maybe you need it for healthcare. let's cap it. itemize deductions at a certain amount. if you cap at $25,000, you can lower all tax rates 20%. plus kill the alternative minimum tax forever and still have $1.3 trillion in revenue. if you do it at $50,000, cap. it gives you $800 billion. >> i like this idea when i first heard it but there are problems and intended consequences. for instance, you wipe out charities. charitable giving changed radi
plus what the additional taxes. $1 trillion that are in new taxes on obamacare. most of them on the wealthy. plus, then, hit them on the deduction side. they will be paying top marginal rate of 40%. effective rate that is four or five or six rate ace head. >> bret: make believe you want to get to compromise. there is an easy way to get there. the president said i need $800 billion at revenue, there is a way to get there. let us not discriminate -- let's go simpson-bowles. let's let...
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they are saying capital and income from capital should be taxed the same way we tax earned income. that is a fundamental in equity in our tax code. >> that's right. this country in its economy he has done well when we've had policies that have promoted middle class expansion. this is good for capital. franklin roosevelt for all of understanding, he said if you don't have a middle class that works, you won't have an economy for the rich. there's a narrow mindedness that i've got mine and i want more and i'm take it from you if that's what it takes. american economic policy works best when it's building a middle class. >> you go back to henry ford, who is no legal tarian at heart. he said if my workers can't afford to buy the cars they're building i won't be able to sell them to everybody and wanted to raise wages. you have been a proponent of going over the cliff basically saying we're not going to cave because of the threat. do you still hold that position and is there support in the democratic party for it? >> there is. we're not in favor of going over the cliff we're in favor of
they are saying capital and income from capital should be taxed the same way we tax earned income. that is a fundamental in equity in our tax code. >> that's right. this country in its economy he has done well when we've had policies that have promoted middle class expansion. this is good for capital. franklin roosevelt for all of understanding, he said if you don't have a middle class that works, you won't have an economy for the rich. there's a narrow mindedness that i've got mine and i...
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the tax measure. after the tax measure was passed, the governor's job approval rating went town 48%. nearly half of the people now think the state is going in the right direction. that is a difference. but 94% of those polled still believe that the state's fiscal future overall remain as problem. so, with numbers like that, we turned to former mayor and state assembly speaker willy brown and san francisco chronicle political reporter joe garifoli. our first question to the pair is it appears happy days are here again for california voters, but why are they feeling so good? >> they are feeling better. not a management of people are feeling good, but they are -- not a majority of people are feeling good, but they are feeling more optimistic. they think is state is on better financial footing. >> did you ever take stock when the public was feeling better or worse? >> no, are youing me? i am more -- are you kidding me? i am more concerned about the votes. the public was basically in second place. i had to
the tax measure. after the tax measure was passed, the governor's job approval rating went town 48%. nearly half of the people now think the state is going in the right direction. that is a difference. but 94% of those polled still believe that the state's fiscal future overall remain as problem. so, with numbers like that, we turned to former mayor and state assembly speaker willy brown and san francisco chronicle political reporter joe garifoli. our first question to the pair is it appears...
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all with spending cuts and expiring tax credits. today, president obama pushed his proposed fix saying a deal must include higher tax rates. republicans say that is a job killer. they is said that forever. they let go of that, meeting at the white house yesterday. neither side will give any details about the conversation between president obama and speaker boehner. wendell, is there any time left to get this done? >>reporter: well, folks think there is time for enough of a deal but stopped short of a fiscal cliff but some think that has to happen this week. at a daimler truck stop the president didn't mention the upper income tax hike he is demanding but warned what will happen if congress doesn't extend the middle-class tax cuts both sides want. >> people will spend nearly $200 billion less than otherwise they would spend. consumer spending will go down. that means you have less customers, businesses get fewer profits, they hire fewer workers, you go in a downward spiral. wrong idea. >>reporter: the president criticized the right-t
all with spending cuts and expiring tax credits. today, president obama pushed his proposed fix saying a deal must include higher tax rates. republicans say that is a job killer. they is said that forever. they let go of that, meeting at the white house yesterday. neither side will give any details about the conversation between president obama and speaker boehner. wendell, is there any time left to get this done? >>reporter: well, folks think there is time for enough of a deal but...
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i think we need both tax revenue and much more than tax reform will give us, we also need higher tax rates and we also need spending cuts and it has to be balanced. i'm optimistic about this, it seems to me they're coming to common ground here on the tax side and the spending side. >> right now when i'm with the dreath democrats they say no cuts in medicaid, no cuts? social security. >> they kind of don't matter at this point, right? >> they don't matter, but it is going to be, we talked so much about the politics within the republican party and within the republican caucus in the house. but talk to senior democrats and they will tell you, even rank and file democrats, emmanuelle cleaver is important because he's the tom cole of the left, but it's going to be hard for them to walk in at the democratic caucuses that you're going to have to give on raising eligibility for medicare. >> you know the deals that were made, as few as they were recently have not been from the right to the left, but the speakinger has lost her left and the house speaker has los his right. >> there's got to be
i think we need both tax revenue and much more than tax reform will give us, we also need higher tax rates and we also need spending cuts and it has to be balanced. i'm optimistic about this, it seems to me they're coming to common ground here on the tax side and the spending side. >> right now when i'm with the dreath democrats they say no cuts in medicaid, no cuts? social security. >> they kind of don't matter at this point, right? >> they don't matter, but it is going to...
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tall tax rates will go up. we will then enact tax cuts for 98%. we will get congratulations from the american people. >> keeping and adding back tax cut for those above $250,000, 9 #% of income would add $37 trillion in ten years and would only save $800 billion or so from raising rates on higher incomes. democrats complain the republicans didn't pay for bush tax cut and no one on the democratic side is talking about finding the off-setting savings now to extend them. several democrats contemplated going over the cliff in recent days. perhaps in hopes of gaining leverage. >> if the republicans don't agree with that, we reach a point where all the tax cuts expire and we start over next year. >> form every republican senate aide said it would be hard to blame one party. >> i think they realize that both sides will be culpable if we go over cliff. >> house speaker john boehner says going over the cliff is far too dangerous to the economy. nevertheless, even treasury secretary geithner suggested on fox news sunday that republicans might need more time
tall tax rates will go up. we will then enact tax cuts for 98%. we will get congratulations from the american people. >> keeping and adding back tax cut for those above $250,000, 9 #% of income would add $37 trillion in ten years and would only save $800 billion or so from raising rates on higher incomes. democrats complain the republicans didn't pay for bush tax cut and no one on the democratic side is talking about finding the off-setting savings now to extend them. several democrats...
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on another tax problem, tax fund, yes cut through all the jews rate against -- [inaudible] but surely it needs to be more robust. if it is going to be a meaningful priority, let's say to coordinate against corporate tax conjuring, surely has to start a reason to think the controls -- that he made in the last budget. >> first of all can i thank him for the support he has given for the decision to provide ultrafast broadband, and i want to congratulate the city for a very, very good did which competed against other bids across the uk. he's also right to say that we are helping the northern islands energy sector with decisions on the carbon price which i detest a semi-statement to announce but are in the book. am glad he acknowledges those. any more broadly what i would say to him is northern ireland will benefit, the rest of uk will benefit when we help people and work hard and want to get on with doing that with personal allowance, when we help people who are small businesses with fuel duty, we're doing all these things making sure they are outlined to the northern ireland's. >> with i
on another tax problem, tax fund, yes cut through all the jews rate against -- [inaudible] but surely it needs to be more robust. if it is going to be a meaningful priority, let's say to coordinate against corporate tax conjuring, surely has to start a reason to think the controls -- that he made in the last budget. >> first of all can i thank him for the support he has given for the decision to provide ultrafast broadband, and i want to congratulate the city for a very, very good did...
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of course, the president is saying tax rates being tax rate, tax rates. he is trying to tap into the anger and angst of the election. if i have learned anything, if you get people to act out of anxietier and rage, you will make bad mistakes. what we have to look at is the issue of the deficit and the issue of getting people back to work. you know, when the president talks about, if we don't deal with the fiscal cliff, the average family will see their taxes go up $2,000 a year. in the last few years, their gasoline bill has increased $2500 a year. so we need to be dealing with the natural gas and the oil and the gasoline and the energy prices. >> not only a member of congress, a medical doctor and a psychiatrist. make you can get everybody on the couch. you mentioned taxes, taxes, taxes. here's an interesting take from robert robb. let me get your reaction to this. he said, quote, what obama is trying to do is force republicans to finance, through higher taxes and increased borrowing, the size of the furthermore government obama thinks is appropriate. oba
of course, the president is saying tax rates being tax rate, tax rates. he is trying to tap into the anger and angst of the election. if i have learned anything, if you get people to act out of anxietier and rage, you will make bad mistakes. what we have to look at is the issue of the deficit and the issue of getting people back to work. you know, when the president talks about, if we don't deal with the fiscal cliff, the average family will see their taxes go up $2,000 a year. in the last few...
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and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something on the table or is that not going to happen until like the 30th, 31st of the month? >> well, what i would say is in the white house's initial offer they did offer $400 billion in medicare cuts. and that is something that i think the republicans should actually like as a starting point because clearly the white house knows that they are going to have to go up from there. and bob corker the senator from tennessee who was also on "meet the press" yesterday has proposed some legislation that instead cuts $641 million out of medicare. we'll see some scale
and determined to raise taxes on the rich. it's one thing during the campaign he was specific and consistent on. it seems to me like they are even more upset about what they see his like of specificity on entitlements. let's play what we heard from his chief negotiator, tim geithner yesterday. >> we can't figure out what they need. they have to tell us. then we have to take a look at it and see if it makes sense for the american public. >> when will we see people putting something...
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that is from higher tax rates. roughly 600 billion are from some kind of tax reform. they are all reasonably good proposals. onaker boehner's proposal revenue -- is roughly $800 billion in tax reform. we are about $800 billion apart on taxes. my view is that we should roughly split the difference. i would suggest $1.4 trillion in tax revenue. $700 billion would come through tax reform. we can discuss what that might look like. $700 billion would come from higher tax rates. the president would scale back one trillion dollars. we can talk about that. on the spending side -- does 600,000 -- speaker boehner has come forward with some proposals. i'm not quite clear on how much the spending cuts he has proposed. the president's proposal is short. to get to where we need to go, that $3 trillion target and fiscal stability, we need $1.2 trillion in spending cuts. that should be part of the process. we should do some things to reform social security. after the end of the day, it needs to be almost double of what he is proposing. if you sit down and do the arithmetic of spendin
that is from higher tax rates. roughly 600 billion are from some kind of tax reform. they are all reasonably good proposals. onaker boehner's proposal revenue -- is roughly $800 billion in tax reform. we are about $800 billion apart on taxes. my view is that we should roughly split the difference. i would suggest $1.4 trillion in tax revenue. $700 billion would come through tax reform. we can discuss what that might look like. $700 billion would come from higher tax rates. the president would...
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an obsess to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. >> for mr. cantor this is an obsession, but for one conservative commentator who appeared on this broadcast yesterday, it's even worse. >> president obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a dirty little secret, their own fetish that republicans just don't like to hear ventilated in public. according to the congressional budget office in the years since 1979 as federal taxation has become less progressive, the income of the top 1% has grown by over $700,000, while the average pretax income for the bottom 90% of households has fallen by $900. did you get that. the top 1% up by $700,000, the bottom 90% down by $900. accusing the president of being obsessed is a
an obsess to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. >> for mr. cantor this is an obsession, but for one conservative commentator who appeared on this broadcast yesterday, it's even worse. >> president obama has this fetish of we've got to raise the rates on the top two because we're going to raise the deficit. >> who knew a balanced approach could be characterized as an obsession that evokes an erotic response. what this is about is the president drawing attention to a...
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for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every day that goes by after january 1st isn't going to look like that big of a deal and essentially, time will run out for both parties, you will have a lot of problems in 2013, they will take the lion's share away from fiscal dealmaking, senate confirmation, have the debt ceiling, the long-delayed nuclear negotiableses with iran, going to have posturing for the 2014 campaigns. all of those things are going to suck out the moment up that we have right now. so, yes, democrats are not as bad off as the republicans, but that doesn't mean they should be waiting either. >> i
for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every...
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as i just indicated, it includes a $2 trillion tax increase over ten years, the biggest real-dollar tax increase in u.s. history. it increases taxes on nearly one million small businesses in the middle of a jobs crisis. according to ernst & young, this type of rate hike would cause more than 700,000 americans to lose their jobs. it raises taxes on investment income, harming economic growth even more. it includes tens of billions of dollars in more washington spending in a deal supposedly to cut the deficit. and most outrageous of all, it gives the president of the united states unilateral power to raise the limit on the federal credit card, the so-called debt ceiling, whenever he wants or as much as he wants. and while i'm flattered the administration has taken to calling this the -- quote -- "mcconnell provision" they seemed to have forgotten how this worked in the budget control act. we gave the president the authority then to request a debt ceiling increase, but that was only after the white house agreed to $2 trillion in cuts to washington spending and agreed to be bound by the timi
as i just indicated, it includes a $2 trillion tax increase over ten years, the biggest real-dollar tax increase in u.s. history. it increases taxes on nearly one million small businesses in the middle of a jobs crisis. according to ernst & young, this type of rate hike would cause more than 700,000 americans to lose their jobs. it raises taxes on investment income, harming economic growth even more. it includes tens of billions of dollars in more washington spending in a deal supposedly to...
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first, when i was there, it was the president who had made the no tax pledge. president bush the first, as you'll recall, made a very famous no tax pledge which he eventually backed off of. in this case, it's the congress. the republicans in the congress specifically, who have made the tax pledge, and the president who is trying to get them to break it. secondly, the numbers are very much reflecting the passage of time. we were very concerned because we thought the budget was going to be -- the deficit was going to be about $150 billion. that shocked everyone into action. then, unlike now, there remains some degree of bipartisanship. there was comity, there was discussion, even as we battled over the budget, we worked together in a bipartisan way on many other issues. you didn't have the total polarization that you have today. >> i mean, when you were elected senate majority leader, i understand one of the first people that you called was the minority leader, senator dole. >> that's right. i called him right away, i went to see him almost immediately, and i sai
first, when i was there, it was the president who had made the no tax pledge. president bush the first, as you'll recall, made a very famous no tax pledge which he eventually backed off of. in this case, it's the congress. the republicans in the congress specifically, who have made the tax pledge, and the president who is trying to get them to break it. secondly, the numbers are very much reflecting the passage of time. we were very concerned because we thought the budget was going to be -- the...
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news the president a little more than an hour ago went to northern virginia to push the middle class tax cut message by spending time with an actual middle class family. >> the message that i got from tiffany and the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one's. >> and this actually appears to be working. a new poll shows the president is running ahead of the boehner-led republican team. what about basketball you say? we go to charlotte last night, and the knicks treasury secretary, carmelo anthony, top paid and big star got hurt in this dive and had to leave the game. then the at the end it came down to this. >> looking for felton and finds smith. two seconds, one second. smith for the win. >> game over. no overtime. deal, end game, done. is this meaningless nba game in charlotte lead us to how the fiscal fiesta ends? we have a man
news the president a little more than an hour ago went to northern virginia to push the middle class tax cut message by spending time with an actual middle class family. >> the message that i got from tiffany and the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good...